ilivMgrUm df idRsL --- rfq df smF --- mwDm
ijhI rOsLnI hY --- bfhr jLor jLor dI hvf cwlx dI afvfjL afAuNdI hY ---hvf
nflL zrfAuxIaF ijhIaF sItIaF vwjdIaF hn. bVy hI snsnIKyjL ijhy sMgIq ivwc
iewk afdmI hOlLI hOlLI kuJ BflLdf hoieaf styj dy iewk pfisEN dfKLl huMdf
hY. Auh hOlLI hOlLI “vfihgurU, vfihgurU” vI kr irhf hY. Aus dy kuJ dyr Gr
dy afsy-pfsy aqy iKVkIaF kolL vyKdy rihx ipwCoN iksy BFzy dy izwgx dI
afvfjL afAuNdI hY. afdmI iewk dm qRbkdf hY aqy Aus dI cIk inkldI hY.
mrd: (cIkx dy aMdfjL ivwc) vf[[[[ih[[[[gu[[[[rU[[[ (nflL hI iewkdm rOsLnI
ho jFdI hY. awKF mlLdI iewk aOrq dfKLl huMdI hY jo burI qrHF GbrfeI hoeI
ivKfeI idMdI hY).
aOrq: kI hoieaf jI? kfhdf KVkf hoieaf eynI jLor dI?
mrd: kusL neIN, koeI BFzf izwigaf hoxf.
aOrq: qusIN eyny ‘nHyry `c kI krdy iPrdy sI?
mrd: (bhfnf ijhf lwBdf hoieaf) mYN[[[mYN qy pfxI pIx AuWiTaf sI.
aOrq: lYt qy jgf lYNdy.
mrd: mYN ikhf kfhqy sfry suwqy AuTfAuxy aF. (pfxI df glfs Br ky pINdf hY)
aOrq: qusIN qy blf eI Gbrfey hoey lwgdy aF?
mrd: mYN kfhqy GbrfAuxf, mYN qy TIk Tfk aF. (glfs tybl `qy rwKdf hY qF shI
qrIky nflL nf rwiKaf jfx krky glfs kuJ icr bfad tybl qoN hyTF izwg pYNdf
hY. KVfk sux ky mrd dI iPr cIk inklL jFdI hY. kuJ sMBlL ky glfs nUM gflL
kwZdf hY), iehnUM vI BYx dyxy nUM BcflL af igaf[[[[
aOrq: mMno-nf-mMno, koeI gwl jLrUr af ijhVf qusIN eynf Gbrfey hoey aF.
mrd: mYN kih `qf nf sON jf cuwp krky jf ky, mYN koeI Gbrfieaf hoieaf nhIN.
(aOrq Aus vwl guwsy ijhy nflL vyKdI hoeI styj qoN jFdI hY. ijAuN hI aOrq
styj qoN jFdI hY, Gbrfieaf hoieaf mrd vI kfhlLy pYrIN Aus dy mgr hI cly
jFdf hY. kuJ pl iPr hvf dy cwlx dI afvfjL afAuNdI rihMdI hY aqy zrfAuxf
ijhf sMgIq cwldf rihMdf hY. acfnk iPr iksy cIjL df jLordfr KVkf huMdf hY
aqy mrd dOVdf hoieaf styj `qy dfKLLl huMdf hY aqy pfglF vFg afsy-pfsy
vyKdf iPrdf hY. buVbuVfht vrgf “vfihgurU, vfihgurU” iPr Aus dy mUMh ivwcoN
suxfeI dyx lwgdf hY. aOrq iPr dfKLLl huMdI hY).
aOrq: hux kI hoieaf, tpUsI mfr ky iPr eyQy af gey aF?
mrd: hYgf[[[jLrUr hYgf kusL[[[
aOrq: kI hYgf?
mrd: (guwsy ivwc) qyrI mF df isr[[[
aOrq: nf qy qyrI mF ibnF isr qoN eI sI?
mrd: BONk nf, sux[[[kusL hYgf[[[
aOrq: pqf vI qF lwgy kI hYgf?
mrd: bVIaF zrfAuxIaF ijhIaF afvfjLF afAuNdIaF sI eyQoN[[[eydF lwgf ijvyN
koeI cIjLF cuwk cuwk ky mfrdf hovy.
aOrq: (iewk dm Bwj ky mrd dy ipwCy lukdI hoeI) ikqy cor qy neIN af igaf[[[
mrd: (Aus nUM iJVkdf hoieaf) hOlLI bol[[[ikqy sux eI nf lvy[[[(dovyN jxy
zry ijhy kuJ dyr ibVk lYNdy hn. iPr ijvyN kuJ hOsly ijhy ivwc ho ky bYTx
hI lwgdy hn ik iewk kmry ivwcoN KVfk afAuNdf hY. mrd aOrq dy ipwCy lukx dI
koisLsL krdf hY ik aOrq pihlF hI CflL mfr ky mrd dy ipwCy luk jFdI hY aqy
Aus dI bFh nUM Guwt ky PV lYNdI hY).
mrd: (kMbdI hoeI pr AuWcI afvfjL ivwc) ikhVf af[[[[kOx af eyQy?
aOrq: mYnUM lwgdf dIp dy kmry `coN KVfk afieaf.
mrd: (Gbrf ky afvfjL mfrdf hY) dIp! (iewk 25-30 sfl dI kuVI cIkF mfrdI
hoeI dfKLl huMdI hY)
dIp: zYz[[[B[[B[[[BU[[[[q (Bwj ky jf ky afpxI mF nUM icMbV jFdI hY)
aOrq: (burI qrHF GbrfeI hoeI) ikwQy af? ikwQy af BUq?
dIp: myry kmry `c[[[ (aOrq iewk vfr iPr Gbrf ky mrd dy ipwCy ho jFdI hY.
mrd vI ziraf ijhf ipCFh hox dI koisLsL vI krdf hY aqy afpxy zrpokpn dI
sLrm vI mihsUs krdf jfpdf hY. sfry jxy zry hoey dIp dy kmry dy KuwlHy
drvfjLy vwl vyKdy hn. mrd ziraf ijhf kmry vwl nUM pYr puwtx dI koisLsL
krdf hY ik aOrq Jpt mfr ky Aus nUM PVdI hoeI ipCFh iKwc lYNdI hY).
aOrq: ikAuN mrnf jy? BUq icMbV jfAU.
mrd: (aOrq nUM awgy nUM Dwkdf hoieaf) cwl qUM `gFh ho ky vyK KF, kI af
kmry `c. (aOrq cIk mfr ky ipCFh ho jFdI hY). aYvyN mok mfrI jFdI af, mYN
vyKdF. (Auh iPr ziraf ijhf, hOlLI hOlLI awgy vDdf hY).
mrd: puls nUM Pon kr, mYnUM lwgdf koeI cor af.
aOrq: ikAuN isafpf pfAuxf qusIN? jy swcIN BUq hoieaf qF eyQy hI cwkIaF
iphf dAU (mrd Aus nUM cuwp hox df iesLfrf krdf hoieaf hOlLI hOlLI awgy
vDdf hY aqy drvfjLy kolL jf ky aMdr afsy-pfsy JfqIaF mfrn df aiBnY krdf
hY. aOrq aqy dIp vI hOlLI hOlLI Aus dy kolL jFdIaF hn aqy Ausy qrHF hI
aMdr vyKdIaF hn). aMdr kusL lgdf qy neIN.
dIp: mYN afp vyiKaf, BUq sI, vfjF sux ky bfrI QfxIN Bwj igaf.
mrd: ikqy qYnUM BulyKf qy neIN ipaf dIp? (dIp kuJ bolx lwgdI hY ik aOrq
pihlF hI bol pYNdI hY).
aOrq: lY KVfkf qy qusIN afp suixaf qy hux inafxI `qy sLwk krn lwg pey aF.
mrd: E mYN sLwk neIN krdf[[[mYN qy kihMdf sI peI keI vfrI EdF eI koeI
kuwqf-ibwlf pUC mfr ky BFzf suwt jFdf.
aOrq: afho[[[eyQy ieMzIaf dy Gr `c bYTy aF nf peI ijwQy KuwlHy QF
kuwqy-ibwly af gey[[[eyQy qy bMdy msF afAuNdy af, kuwqy-ibwly ikwQoN?
mrd: aYvyN ikAuN bolI jfnIN aF[[[myrf mqlb sI peI keI vfrI afpxf eI hwQ
vwj ky koeI cIjL Qwly izwg pYNdI af.
dIp: neIN zYzI, mYN afp vyiKaf BUq nUM.
aOrq: kI vyiKaf sI puwq qUM?
dIp: mF mYN suwqI peI sI. quhfzI vfj sux ky jfgI qF vyiKaf iewk lMmf sfrf,
kflLy kwpiVaF qy lMmyN lMmyN vflLF vflLf BUq myry isrhfxy KVHf sI. mYN zr
ky cIk mfrI qF Auh bfrI QfxIN CflL mfr ky Bwj igaf.
mrd: ikqy cor eI nf hovy, qYnUM ikwdF pqf Auh BUq sI?
dIp: nhIN zYzI, Auh bhuq lMmf sI, jdoN Bwjf qF mYN vyiKaf Auhdy pYr vI
ipCFh nUM sI.
aOrq: iewk kilhxf sinwcrvfr neIN sfnUM itkx idMdf. hr vfrI sinwcrvfr nUM
hI kusL nf kusL koeI nvF hI huMdf.
mrd: kI nvF hI huMdf sinwcrvfr nUM qyrf? koeI nf koeI nvIN Cwz idMnI aF
qUM?
aOrq: lY mYN grOsrI krky afAuNdI zrfeIvy `c izwgI qF Edx vI CnIvfr sI qy
iPr ijwdx pfltI `c qusIN sLrfb pI ky mUMh-isr BMnvfieaf Edx vI sinwcrvfr
hI sI. qy hux jy af BUq af igaf qy ieh vI sinwcrvfr eI af.
mrd: hux qy aYqvfr ho igaf, sinwcrvfr ikwQy rih igaf.
aOrq: hux eI aYqvfr ho igaf, afieaf qy pqf neIN sinwcrvfr df eI hoxf.
mrd: (iewk vfr iPr aMdr JfqI mfrdf hoieaf) mYnUM lwgdf qy neIN aMdr kusL,
ivMzo vI bMd af[[[
dIp: BUq nUM ikhVf bfrI KolHx dI loV huMdI af, Auh qy sLIsLy ivwcoN dI hI
lMG igaf sI.
mrd: clo hux rwb df nF lAu qy sON jfE, lgdf BUq vI cly igaf.
dIp: mYN qy neIN jFdI afpxy kmry `c.
mrd: cwl qUM afpxI mF nflL jf ky sON jfh, mYN eyQy soPLy `qy pY jfnF.
aOrq: nf jI, BUq mHFrfj df kI pqf, Py af jvy, qusIN eyQy nf pvo.
mrd: Eey qUM pY jf jf ky, kusL neIN huMdf mYnUM. (aOrq aqy dIp dUsry kmry
vwl jFdIaF hn aqy mrd lfeIt buJf ky soPy `qy lyt jFdf hY. Auh sOx dI
koisLsL krdf hY pr Aus dI ingfh vfr vfr dIp dy kmry vwl jFdI hY. kuJ dyr
bfad iPr iksy dy pYrF dI afvfjL afAuNdI hY qF mrd qRbk ky AuTdf hY. Aus dI
pqnI dbvyN pYrIN dfKLLl huMdI hY). ikAuN jfn kwZx lwgI aF gMdI nsl
dIey[[[zrf ky rwK `qf sI.
aOrq: mYnUM qy afp nINd neIN afAuNdI. 6 qy vwj gey af, cwl AuWT ky pfT
krIey qy iPr cfh pINidaF kridaF nUM idn cVH jfxf.
mrd: mYN qy ipCly do GMitaF df pfT duaflLy hoieaF, hux ikhVI ksr rihMdI
af.
aOrq: suwK dI jbfn boilaf kro, aYvyN abf-qbf bolI jFdy rihMny aF, qF eI qy
BUq idKfeI idMdy af Gr `c.
mrd: nvI ikwQy af, eynf Gr `c BucflL afieaf, Auh ikqy kusikaf hI nhIN.
aOrq: Auhdy PLrYNz df rfqIN brQzya sI, inafxf rfqIN lyt afieaf hoxf,
Qwikaf suwqf ipaf hoAU.
mrd: iewk qy ieh smJ neIN afAuNdI peI ieh sflLy jMmdy ikMnI ikMnI vfrI af
sfl `c? rojL eI brQzya, rojL eI brQzya.
aOrq: suwK nf` bQyry PLrYNz af muMzy dy, hux iksy nf iksy df brQzya qy af
hI jFdf af nf.
mrd: mYnUM lgdf Auh eI kMjr bfrI-bUrI twp ky aMdr afieaf hoxf, corI-iCpy.
aOrq: AuhnUM kI loV peI af corIN afAux dI, Auhdy leI qy mYN ipClI zor
KuwlHI Cwz idMnI huMnI aF, qF ik awgy af ky bYWlF nf mfrdf iPry.
mrd: (qRbkdf hoieaf) qy Esy zor QfxIN qyrf ipAu cor aMdr af igaf hoxf, qy
awD-swuqI dIp ny bxf `qf Auhdf BUq.
aOrq: suwK bol, suwK!
mrd: (iPLkr ijhy ivwc) EdF qy mYnUM vI sLwk pYNdI af ik ieh BUq eI hoxf.
aOrq: Auh ikAuN?
mrd: afh ijwdx df afpxy ipMz aflLf sIqf sLrfb pI ky miraf, mYnUM keI vfr
rfq nUM kfr `coN inklLidaF Auhdf JOlLf ijhf ipaf.
aOrq: vfKrU boilaf kro BfeI, Auh kilhxf qF afpxy Gry hI jfvy jy jfxf qF.
mrd: afh qyrf lfzlf vI qF rojL AuhnUM ilaf ky ibTf Czdf sI.
aOrq: hux jy ipMz df koeI rojL af ky lfhx dI Guwt `qy lflLF suwtI jfvy qF
kI koeI GroN Bjf dU Blf? aYvyN inafxy dy mgr pY jfny aF.
mrd: cwl hux qy idn vI cVH igaf, cfh bxf Guwt, sfrI rfq jfg ky hI lMGf
`qI.
aOrq: mYN krdI af pfT qy qusIN Bwj ky duwD df bYg hI PV ilafAu, hYnI Guwt
vI cfh bxfAux nUM. (mrd bfhr jFdf hY[[[aOrq AuWT ky guru nfnk dI Poto nUM
mwQf tykdI hY qy pfT krn dI mudrf ivwc bYT jFdI hY[[[ kuJ icr bfad bfhroN
lgfqfr hfrn vwjx dI afvfjL afAuNdI hY[[[mrd burI qrHF Gbrfieaf hoieaf aqy
cIkdf hoieaf aMdr dfKLl huMdf hY).
mrd: qUM hYQy krI jfh BgqI qy bfhr qyrI mF sVk dy ivcflLy KVHI pON pON krI
jFdI af, krlf jo krnf Auhdf jf ky.
aOrq: afey hfey, Auhdy `c koeI nuks pY igaf hoAU qy myrI mF df kI ksUr
Auhdy ivwc?
mrd: nuks neIN pY igaf, sIqy dI rUh krdI af sfrf kusL, ijhnUM qyrf lfzlf
rojL AuhnUM iehdy `c ibTf ky sLrfbF ipafAuNdf sI, sLrfb lwBdI Auh hux,
sLrfb. mfr afpxy lfzly nUM vfj ikwQy af Auh hux. (iewk 24-25 sfl df muMzf
awKF mldf dfKLl huMdf hY).
muMzf: kI gwl af mOm eynf rOlLf pfieaf?
mrd: rOlLf kI pfAuxf, jIhnUM rojL kfr `c ibTf ky sLrfbF ipafAuNdf sI, Auh
qyrf ipAu BUq bx ky pihlF qy sfrI rfq Gr `c iPrdf irhf qy hux kfr dy hfrn
mfr mfr ky sLrfb mMgdf eI.
muMzf: zYz mYN mMndF ik myrf ipAu BUq af, pr Auh eys vylLy kfr `c nhIN gf.
kfr dy hfrn dI styirMg qoN qfr iZwlI af, Auh kdI kdI juV jFdI af qy hfrn
vwjx lwg pYNdf.
mrd: afpy juV jFdI af? nf Auh ivwc moZy mfrdI iPrdI af ijhVI afpy juV jFdI
af?
aOrq: nf qusIN muMzy dI gwl qF sux lAu, ikAuN inafxy nUM aYvyN vwZx nUM eI
pYNdy aF?
mrd: mYN qy hoieaf kuwqf[[[mYN qy vwZxf eI af, pr afh jIhny nyk aOrq df
duwD pIqf, iehnUM puwC peI qfrF afpy ikwdF juV jFdIaF.
muMzf: mYnUM cfbI idAu, mYN krky afAunF bMd.
mrd: cfbI ivwcy eI af kfr dy, kfr vI cwlI jFdI af. (muMzf bfhr jFdf hY)
aOrq: qusIN nflL jfAu muMzy dy, jy swcIN BUq hoieaf qF?
mrd: qyrf bhuqf lfzlf, qUM clI jfh KF mgr Auhdy.
aOrq: mYN eyQy pfT krdI aF, qusIN jfAu. (hfrn dI afvfjL bMd ho jFdI hY aqy
muMzf aMdr dfKLl huMdf hY)
muMzf: bws eynf hI kMm sI.
mrd: (dMdIaF krfAuNdf hoieaf) eynf eI kMm sI[[[kMm qy puwq Auhny dws dyxf
sI jy jUMzIaF qoN PV ky idMdf qYnUM cfr ku GuMmytxIaF.
aOrq: clo hux kfr TIk ho geI af, qusIN duwD lY afAu jf ky, Guwt cfh dI qy
pIey hux.
mrd: iehnUM kih hux afpy jf ky lY afvy, nflLy iehnUM BUq vI sUq krnf
afAuNdf.
aOrq: Auh inafxf huxy hI kwcI nINdy AuWiTaf, qusIN afp jfAu KF.
mrd: (kfhlLI nflL bfhr jFdf hoieaf) iehnUM nf krn deIN kdI kusL, buwZf hox
lwgf ajy inafxy df inafxf.
aOrq: vyK puwq hux qyrf ipAu neIN suxdf. pihlF Auh eyQy ‘rPUjI’ af ky Dwky
KFdf irhf, Py pwkf ho ky afpF nUM swidaf. hux pMj-Cy sfl afpF afieaF nUM
ho gey af. Auh ikMnf ku tuwt tuwt mrI jfvy, qYnUM hux koeI kMm-DMdf krnf
cfhIdf.
muMzf: jy koeI vDIaf kMm imlU qF eI krUM, hux sVkF `qy JfVU mfrI jfvF jf
ky?
aOrq: dIp vI qy krdI hI af nf. Auh nflyL Gr dy Krc vI qordI af. 26-27 sflF
dI ho geI af, Auhdy hwQ vI pIlLy krny aF ikqy. ikMnI ku dyr DI dI kmfeI dy
afsry Gr cwlxgy.
muMzf: mF ijhVI afpxI ieMzIaf jLmIn af, zYzI Auh ikAuN nhIN vyc afAuNdf?
eynf muwl hoieaf jLmIn df, vyc ky koeI ibjins KolH lYNdy aF, nf zYzI nUM
kMm krn dI loV nf mYnUM.
aOrq: puwq jLmInF vyc vyc ky ikMnf ku icr gujLfrf cwlU afpxf? jy hwz
ihlfAux dI afdq nf pfeI nf qF jLmIn dy pYisaF ny vI bhuqf icr pYr neIN
lfAuxy eyQy. (mrd Gbrfieaf hoieaf dfKLl huMdf hY. Aus nUM burI qrHF sfh
ciVHaf hoieaf hY. duwD df bYg vgfh ky mfrdf hoieaf Auh cIkdf hY).
mrd: hfrn qy kihMdy sI Krfb ho igaf, hux afh dwso kIhny kIqf?
aOrq: kI kIqf?
mrd: jo myry nflL hoieaf.
aOrq: quhfzy nflL kI hoieaf?
mrd: jo Auhny kIqf, AuhI hoieaf, hor qyrI mF df isr hoxf sI?
aOrq: pqf vI qF lwgy kI hoieaf, kIhny kIqf, ik aYvyN eI BONkI jfAugy?
mrd: afh mYN duwD lY ky afAuNdf sI, cMgI-BlI sVk `qy kfr afAuNdI sI. kMjr
dy bIa ny nflLy jLor dI kfr nUM Jtkf mfiraf nflLy AuWcI AuWcI typ lf `qI.
aOrq: kIhny typ lf `qI?
mrd: qyry ipAu sIqy ny hor kIhny? gIq vI Auhdy aflLf eI sI.
aOrq: Auhdf ikhVf gIq sI?
mrd: AuhI ijhVf Auh suxdf huMdf sI rojL: “myry inwq dy sLrfbIaf Xfrf, af
mYN qyry PMZy muMn idaF”
muMzf: “PMZy muMn idaF” neIN “kys bMnH idaF” huMdf.
mrd: afh qyrI mF huMdI qF “PMZy muMn idaF” hI kihMdI.
aOrq: quhfnUM qy bws mYN eI dIhdI aF.
mrd: qUM eI neIN dIhdI, aOh bfhr KVHI vI dIhdI af qyrI argI, afpy hI rOlLf
pfeI jfx zhI af, AuhnUM vI cuwp krf lAu jf ky. suxdf ivwc bYTf Auh gIq.
(aOrq aMdr jFdI hY).
muMzf: zYz! mYN ikvyN smJfvF quhfnUM, koeI BUq-Bfq neIN hYgf[[[
mrd: (iewkdm muMzy nUM kwt ky cIkdf hoieaf) BUq neIN qF Pyr typ ikhVI qyrI
mF BUqnI ny lfeI af?
muMzf: typ stIrIE `coN pUrI qrHF inklLdI neIN. jdoN kdI sVk `qy Jtkf pYNdf
qF Auh afpy Qwly ho ky iPr cwl pYNdI af[ qusIN qy aYvyN hI vihmF-BrmF `c
pY jfnyN aF.
mrd: asIN pY jfnyN af vihmF-BrmF `c, qy ieh af igaf vwzf kfmryt, puwq
ijwdx sLrfb dI tot dI sqfeI sIqy dI rUh ny PV ilaf nf DOxoN, iPr dwsIN
vihm-Brm kI huMdy af. (aOrq dfKLl huMdI hY).
aOrq: jI qusIN burf nf mnfieE, pr mYN qy ‘isafxy’ nUM Pon kr afeI aF peI
eyQy af ky koeI Aupfa hI dwsy. afpF qy rfqF jfg jfg ky neIN kwt
skdy[[[aYvyN inafixaF nUM koeI aFc afAuNdI hovy.
mrd: pihlF qy BUq hovy nf hovy, hux qUM aslI Xm ilaf ky jLrUr ibTf Gr `c.
muMzf: mfm qusIN ikAuN aYvyN gwl nUM vDfeI jfnyN aF, kfr `c koeI BUq neIN
aYvyN KrfbI sI.
mrd: qy sfrI rfq Gr `c kOx Bwjf iPrdf irhf iPr? (muMzf ajy kuJ bolx hI
lgdf hY ik drvfjLy dI GMtI vwjdI hY. aOrq awgy ho ky drvfjLf KolHdI hY qF
iewk sfD Em[[[Em[[[krdf dfKLl huMdf hY. sfry jxy hwQ joV ky Aus vwl vyKdy
hn. sfD soPLy `qy bYT jFdf hY.
aOrq: bfbf jI kI syvf krIey quhfzI?
sfD: bwcf, syvf ajy nhIN[[[syvf qF krm krn qoN bfad hI krfvFgy, pihlF
afpxI qklIPL dwso.
mrd: qklIPL kI bfbf jI, lgdf Gr `c BUq af viVaf[[[sfnUM qy sLwk af peI
ijhVf afh sfzy ipMz df muMzf sLrfb pI ky miraf, AuhdI rUh hI BtkdI iPrdI
af. (sfD awKF bMd kr ky ibrqI dI mudrf ivwc bYT jFdf hY. snsnIKLyjL ijhf
sMgIq vwjdf hY. sfD awKF mItI bYTf afpxy nKLry ijhy krdf hY[[[sfry jxy
hYrfn aqy pRysLfn ijhy Aus dy ichry vwl vyKdy rihMdy hn).
sfD: qusIN TIk smiJaf bwcf[[[iblkul TIk[[[koeI rUh BtkdI iPr rhI
hY[[[sLrfb lwBdI[[[sLrfb Aus nUM lwB nhIN rhI qy Auh Btk rhI hY.
aOrq: kI ielfj ho skdf hY bfbf jI?
sfD: BtkdI hoeI rUh dI afqmf dI iqRpqI krnI pvygI.
mrd: Auhdy nF `qy sLrfb df jwg hI kr idaF bfbf jI?
bfbf: sLrfb df Aupfa qF krnf pvygf, pr jwg kIiqaF koeI asr nhIN hoxf[[[shI
qrIky nflL[[[aqy shI vkq `qy pfT-pUjf krky[[[iPr hI rUh nUM sLrfb cVHfeI
jf skdI hY.
mrd: Auh ikvyN ho skdf hY?
bfbf: Gr dy ijs pfisEN BUq Gr aMdr dfKLl hoieaf sI, Aus pfsy bfhr, vDIaf
sLrfb dI boql rfq dy hnyry ivwc rwK idAu[[[qusIN sfrI rfq nf afpxy drvfjLy
KolHxy hn aqy nf hI bfhr vyKxf hY. rUh afvygI qy afpy hI afpxf smfn lY
jfvygI.
aOrq: ies qrHF krn nflL sfzf ipwCf Cuwt jfAU mhfrfj jI?
sfD: kuJ hor Aupfa vI krny pYxgy[[[qy iewk Cotf ijhf pYNzf vI quhfnUM glLF
`c pf ky rwKxf pvygf.
mrd: ikMnf ku Krc afvygf bfbf jI?
sfD: ikMny jIa ny Gr ivwc bwcf?
aOrq: asIN cfr jIa aF bfbf jI!
sfD: hUMa[[[cfr jIa! (kuJ dyr awKF bMd krky kuJ igxqIaF-imxqIaF krdf hY)
vYsy qF aijhIaF awQrIaF rUhF nUM kfbU krn leI 700 zflr vflLy pYNzy dI hI
loV pYNdI hY[[[pr[[[qusIN cfr mYNbr ho ies leI jdoN Gr ivwc cfr pYNzy
iekwTy hoxgy qF Coty vI BtkI hoeI rUh nUM kfbU kr hI lYxgy.
mrd: AunHF dI kImq hovygI bfbf jI?
sfD: bwcf asIN koeI munfPLy QoVHf kmfAuxy aF, AunHF dI kImq isrP 300 zflr
rwKI af.
aOrq: clo jI jdoN ksLt afx hI ipaf iPr hwQ Guwt ky QoVHf srnf, 300 zflr dI
ikhVI gwl, ilafAu jI idAu 300 zflr, cfry jIa qF KLqry qoN bfhr hoeIey.
sfD: (kdI mrd aqy kdI aOrq vwl vyKdf hoieaf) muafPL krnf, 300 zflr iewk
pYNzy dI kImq dwsI af mYN, kulH imlLf ky bxy 1200 zflr.
mrd: 1200 zflr?
sfD: jIa vI qy cfr ho nf! qy rUh vI nOjvfn mgr peI af.
mrd: pr eyny pYsy qy myry akfAUNt ivwc vI nhIN hoxy.
sfD: (Kcrf hfsf hwsdf hoieaf) hux qy jI ieMzIaf ivwc vI kRYizt kft cwldy
af[[[ieh vI qy eysy kMm leI hI bxy af.
aOrq: pr bfbf jI, ieh BUq sUq af jfAUgf?
sfD: (kuJ guwsy ivwc) ikAuN nhIN? avwsL afvygf, qusIN sfzI qfkq vyiKE.
aOrq: (mrd nUM) cwlo iPr dy idAu krYizt kft.
mrd: bfbf jI cYWk kwt idaF?
sfD: quhfzI mrjLI hY bwcf. (mrd aMdr jFdf hY. bfkI sB jxy cuwp krky bYTy
rihMdy hn. kuJ hI plF bfad mrd cYWk PVI afAuNdf hY).
mrd: lAu bfbf jI.
sfD: (dovyN hwQ joV ky afpxy prny df pwlf awgy krdf hoieaf) swq bcn
bwcf[[[suKI vwso[[[aYh lAu cfr pYNzy[[[iehnF nUM DUP dy ky glLF ivwc pf
lYxf, koeI mfVI rUh quhfzy nyVy nhIN afvygI. (jFdf hY).
aOrq: awj qy awg lwgxf sfrf idn eysy kMm `c hI lMG igaf, Gr df koeI kMm vI
nhIN hoieaf.
mrd: dIp ikwQy af, muV ky svyr dI idwsI hI nhIN?
aOrq: aYqvfr nUM afpxI pfrt tYm jOb `qy nhIN jfx lwg peI Auh.
mrd: eys kuVI df dyx vI ikwQoN dy skFgy asIN. ieh qy myrf puwq huMdI qF
mYN qr jFdf.
aOrq: aTfeIaF-AunwqIaF dI ho geI af, hux iehdy ivafh df iPLkr vI krnf
cfhIdf sfnUM.
mrd: iPLkr qy krnf cfhIdf pr kolL kusL hoAU qF hI krFgy, KflI hwQIN ikwQoN
kr deIey?
aOrq: EdoN afpxy purfxy guaFZI bVf suhxf afp irsLqf mMgx afey sI, nflLy
Krc vI sfrf afp hI krn nUM iqafr sI.
mrd: Eey Kcr krn nUM qy iqafr sI, pr mYN ikvyN afpxI DI qKfxF dy muMzy nUM
ivafh idMdf, irsLqydfrF `c bih ky rUh dy swk ilhf krny sI.
aOrq: pr kuVI-muMzf iewk dUsry nUM cfhuMdy sI.
mrd: kuVIaF muMzy qy klH nUM gory kfilLaF vwl nUM vI qur pYxgy, iPr mMn
jfieMgI qUM? (dIp dfKLl huMdI hY. Ausdf ichrf bVf Audfs aqy AuWqiraf
hoieaf ivKfeI dy irhf hY).
aOrq: af geI puwq kMm qoN?
dIp: af geI. (kihMdI hoeI dIp kmry vwl vDdI hY)
mrd: kI gwl af puwq, eynI Audfs ikAuN lwgdI aF?
dIp: QwkI aF zYz, nINd afAuNdI af. (kihMdI hoeI dIp aMdr cly jFdI hY.
mrd: lwgdf dIp dy idl `c koeI gwl jLrUr af.
aOrq: sfrI rfq qy EprIaF rUhF ny Auhdy kmry `c gfh pf Cwizaf, iPr svyyr dI
AuWT ky kMm `qyy geI sI. inafxI lohy dI qy nhIN bxI peI sfrf idn msLIn vI
bxI rhy qy hwsdI vI iPry.
mrd: clo ijMnI jogy hYgy aF, asIN vI qy Bwjy hI iPrdy aF, ienHF df hI
bxfAuNdy aF. ikqy muMzy nUM akl af jvy qF asIN vI pYrF isr hoeIey.
aOrq: mYnUM isafxy dy afh pYNzy cYWk krky vyKx idAu, jy kMm kr gey qF iPr
muMzy df Aupfa vI krfAUN iehqoN.
mrd: afho, qyrf kMm TIk hovy nf hovy, pr sfD df kMm jLrUr cwlU hux.
aOrq: ikwzf sfD sfzy isr `qy eI bYTf Blf ijhVI AuhdI rotI cwl pAU, svyyr
qoN sLrDflUaF dIaF zfrF bwJ jFdIaF Auhdy zyry `qy[[[bfbf jI nUM nhfAux df
tYm neIN imldf ikqy[[[ieh qy AunHF dI rihmq sI peI Auh afp cwl ky sfzy Gr
af gey.
mrd: cwl hux iewk rihmq qUM vI kr dy nflL lwgdI[[[
aOrq: mYN kI rihmq kr idaF[[[quhfzy `qy?
mrd: svyr dy AuWTy aF, hux sOx dy GVI, svyry kMm `qy vI jfxf.
aOrq: hfey mYN mr geI, pYNzy qy Buwl eI geI[[[iewk imMt TihirE, (pYNzy kwZ
ky bfby dI Poto awgy mwQf itkvfAuNdI hY qy iPr mwQy nUM lf ky iewk afpxy
glL pf lYNdI hY aqy iewk mrd dy glL pfAuNdI hY) afh mYN dIp dy glL pf
afvF. (aOrq jFdI hY. afpxy pYNzy nUM vyKdf hoieaf mrd vI Aus dy mgr hI
jFdf hY. lfeIt mwDm ho jFdI hY. mwDm ijhf sMgIq cwldf hY jo hOlLI hOlLI
hvf cwlx dI afvfjL ivwc bdl jFdf hY. iPr sMgIq snsnI ruKL aKiqafr krdf hY
aqy hOlLI hOlLI iksy dy qurn aqy kMDF vgYrf nflL tkrfAux dIaF afvfjLF
sLurU huMdIaF hn. bVy hI zry hoey rUp ivwc pihlF mrd sUh lYNdf hoieaf awgy
awgy afAuNdf hY aqy Aus dy ipwCy-ipwCy aOrq afAuNdI hY. dovyN jxyN dIp dy
kmry dy drvfjLy nflL lwg ky sUh lYNdy hn ik kmry aMdr iksy BfrI cIjL dy
izwgx dI afvfjL afAuNdI hY, nflL hI dIp dI cIk suxfeI idMdI hY.)
mrd: (cIkdf hoieaf) dIp! (dIp Bwj ky kmry `coN bfhr afAuNdI hY aqy cIkdI
hY)
dIp: BUq mF BUaaaq!
mrd: (dIp nUM PVdf hoieaf aOrq nUM sMboDn huMdf hY) qUM qy kihMdI sI qyrf
sfD bVf isafxf, lf igaf BYx df Ksm 1200 nUM Quwk? rokdf ikAuN neIN hux Auh
afpxy ipAu nUM?
aOrq: (dwbvIN afvfjL ivwc) vfihgurU bolo, ikAuN aYvyN AuhnUM suxfAux zhy
aF?
mrd: jy vfihgurU hI bolxf sI qy muPLq `c mfVf sI? sfD nUM kfhdf 1200 pUj
`qf?
aOrq: Dfgy-qvIq vI qF tYm pf ky eI asr krdy af, eynI CyqI burCy argf BUq
ikvyN kfbU kr lYx Blf?
mrd: cwl puwq dIp qUM sfzy aflLy kmry `c sON jfh jf ky[[[koeI neIN asIN
vfihgurU vfihgurU krdy aF eyQy bYTy, zr nf[[[hor GVI nUM kMm `qy vI jfxf.
(dIp zrI ijhI jFdI hY)
aOrq: rwb suwK rwKy[[[jvfn DI af klH nUM ikqy ivafhuxI vI af[[[ies BUq
kilhxy nUM vI myrI DI df kmrf hI lwBf.
mrd: GrF dy Krc qyy mflI hflq qF ievyN hI rihxI af, mYN qy socdF peI hux
sfnUM iehdf ivafh kr hI dyxf cfhIdf.
aOrq: kr qy dyxf cfhIdf, pr dIp mMny qF eI af nf! jdoN df qusIN guaFZIaF
nUM jvfb idwqf, AudoN dI hI kuVI Qwly hI Qwly qurI jFdI af[[[mYN iewk-do
vfrI gwwwl vI qorI af pr afK idMdI af ik mYN ivafh hI nhIN krvfAuxf.
mrd: mYN qy socdf sI ik myry inafxy ieMzIaf dy jMmyN-plLy af, ieh afpxy
klcr nUM, afpxy swiBafcfr nUM, afpxIaF smfijk kdrF-kImqF nUM smJdy
hoxgy[[[pqf nhIN ikDr AuWz geIaF sfzIaF sMgF-sLrmF[[[nf muMzy nUM pqf ik
ijLMmyNvfrI kI huMdI af, nf kuVI nUM hI ieh pqf ik jLfq-pfq, KLfndfn vI
koeI cIjL huMdI af ijs dy asUlF nUM qoiVaf nhIN jf skdf. pqf neIN hux BUq
bfhroN ikAuN afAuNdy af, hux qy bMdy afp hI BUqF vrgy ho gey af ijnHF qoN
idny hI zr lwgx ipaf[[[idny hI[[[(TMzf hAukf Brdf hY. rOsLnI mwDm huMdI
hY, koeI gIq cwldf hY[[ styj KflI ho jFdI hY[[[ gIq dy KLqm huMidaF hI iPr
rOsLnI huMdI hY[[[aOrq kuJ Gr df kMm kr rhI hY[[[mrd dfKLl huMdf hY)
aOrq: af gey kMm qoN?
mrd: dIp afeI nhIN kMm qoN ajy?
aOrq: Cy vjy CwzU ajy qF[[[bfrF bfrF GMty qy kMm krdI af[[[(QoVHf ruk ky)
mYN igafnI Bfa jI nUM Pon kIqf sI peI kMm af eyDr afieE.
mrd: ikhVf kMm aF?
aOrq: AuhnF nflL gwl krky vyKdy aF, Kry koeI hwl lwB eI dyx. (drvfjLy dI
GMtI vwjdI hY. aOrq drvfjLf KolHdI hY qF iewk aMimRqDfrI isMG dfKLl huMdf
hY).
mrd: (AuWT ky awgy vDdf hoieaf) afAu Bfa jI afAu, qusIN vI cMgy vylLy hI
af gey. (afK ky mrd iek dm iJjkdf ijhf hY).
isMG: vYsy qy vfihgurU df bKisLaf hr vylLf hI cMgf huMdf pr quhfnUM ieh
vylLf ikvyN KLfs cMgf lwgf?
mrd: (aOrq nUM) cwl do ku kwp cfh hI bxf ilaf Bfa jI leI. (aOrq jFdI hY.
isMG mrd vwl vyKdf hY[[[mrd kuJ kihx dI koisLsL krdf hoieaf vI kuJ kih
nhIN pfAuNdf).
isMG: kI gwl aY beI, koeI pRysLfnI lwgdI af?
mrd: pRysLfnI kI dwsIey Bfa jI[[[ sfrI rfq Gr `c KVfk huMdf irhf, koeI jIa
suwqf nhIN. svyry AuWT ky mYN duwD lYx cwilaf qF kfr df afpy hI hfrn vwjx
lwg ipaf, qy iPr jy hfrn hitaf qF muVky afAuNidaF nf mYN hwQ lfieaf nf
vfsqf, kfr df stIrIE afpy hI cwlx lwg ipaf. (aOrq cfh lY ky dfKLl huMdI
hY)
aOrq: sfnUM qy Bfa jI sLwk af peI Gr `c koeI EprI sLYa af.
isMG: qusIN pfT-pUT krdy huMny aF kdI?
mrd: Auh krdy hI rhIdf gfhy-bgfhy.
isMG: eyho qy gwl af! jy hmysLF Es vfihgurU nUM cyqy rwKo qF ikAuN iPrn
BUq-pryqF Gr `c?
aOrq: asIN qy Bfa jI kwlH ‘isafxy’ nUM vI Gr bulfieaf sI. Auh vI dws igaf
ik Gr `c BUq af.
mrd: (guwsy ijhy ivwc) Auh vI 1200 `c muMn igaf afh pYNzy dy igaf ik sB
TIk ho jfAU pr isafpf EdF df EdF eI af.
isMG: (guwsy ivwc afAuNdf hoieaf) Eey ieh sfD sflLy Twg af Twg! kI pqf
iehnF nUM? mYN qy hYrfn aF peI qusIN vI iehnF mgr lwg qury. Eey jdoN sfzy
kolL gurbfxI af qF ikAuN asIN iehnF sfDF mgr iPrdy aF?
mrd: clo Bfa jI isafxy dI qfkq vI prKL lYNdy aF, kI PLrk pYNdf.
isMG: sfzy gurUaF ny sfnUM bVI cMgI qrHF iswiKaf idwqI af peI iksy sfD dy
mgr nhIN lwgxf, isrP gurUbfxI df hI Et afsrf lYxf, ieho hI quhfnUM sfry
BUqF-pRyqF qoN bcfAux dy smrwQ af. jy qusIN afpxf “dmfk” vrqo qF sfry
duwKF df nfs af bfxI ivwc.
aOrq: Bfa jI sfnUM vI isKfE bfxI ikvyN pVHnI aF, asIN qy bs ijvyN afAuNdI
af, pVHI jfnyN aF.
isMG: eydF kro, mYN iewk gur-mMqr ilKfAunF, Auh piVHaf kro, jfE pYWn qy
kfpI ilafE. (aOrq kfpI qy pYWn lY ky afAuNdI hY) ilKo:
soirT mhlf pMjvF
guru pUrf afrfDy.. kfrj sgly sfDy..
sgl mnorQ pUry.. bfjy anhd qUry..
sMqhu rfmu jpq suKu pfieaf..
sMq asQfin bsy suK shjy
sgly dUK imtfieaf..1.. rhfAu..
gur pUry kI bfxI..
pfr bRhm min BfxI..
nfnk dfs vKfxI..
inrml akQ khfxI.. 2..
rojL 108 vfrI qy pUry 40 idn ieh jfpu krnf qusIN, vyiKE myrf siqgurU
dusLmx df nfs qy sgl kfj rfs ikvyN krdf quhfzy.
aOrq: (kfpI sMBflLdI hoeI) ieh vI krky vyK lvFgy, isafxy qoN vI pYNzy lY
ley, Kry kMm TIk ho hI jfvy.
isMG: E mYN ikhf isafixaF-ivafixaF dIaF gwlF Cwzo, ieh Twg huMdy af Twg!
kusL nhIN iehnF pwly. muPLq ivwc luwtdy af quhfnUM. ikMny pYsy lY igaf Auh
quhfQoN muwC ky?
mrd: 1200 zflr lY igaf chuM pYNizaF df.
isMG: 1200 zflr? iewk qy pihlF Gr `c grIbI, iPr musIbq, qy AuWqoN 1200
zflf Auh lY igaf, hY ikqy rwb df zr koeI?
aOrq: pr Bfa jI mn dI qswlI leI kusL nf kusL qy krnf hI pYNdf af nf!
isMG: jy bfhlLI hI gwl af nf, qy jy quhfnUM pUrf sLwk peI Gr `c EprI rUh
rihMdI af, qF iPr Gr `c krfAu pfT, qy myry siqgurU swcy pfqsLfh df ijwQy
vI pYr pvy Auh sQfn suhylf ho jFdf, BUq-pRyq sB pUC dbf ky Bwj jFdy af.
mrd: Bfa jI Es kMm `qy vI qF kfPI Krc af jfxf.
isMG: Krc kfhdf af jfxf? Gr krfAu pfT, BfeIaF ny sfrf 500 zflr lYxf. 100
ku zflf kQf vflLf lY jfAU. lMgr krf idAu gurdvfry[[[Auh sfry awjklH 5 ku
zflr QflLI dy lYNdy af.
mrd: Auh qy TIk af[[[
isMG: (ivwcoN tok ky) TIk-TUk kI af? mYN hI kr lYnF gurU Gr nflL gwl qy
krvf idMnF sfrf pRbMD.
aOrq: clo Bfa jI dI gwl vI mMn ky vyK lAu.
isMG: gwl mMn ky nhIN vyK lAu, mYN TIk kihMnF, ieh sfD-pMzq qy sB
dukfndfrIaF ny dukfndfrIaF[[[aYvyN dunIaF guru df lV Cwz ky BtkI iPrdI af
iehnF dy mgr lwgI[[[lutyry ny sflLy. (gurdIp df dfKLLl huMdf hY. gurdIp
nUM vyK ky isMG dy mwQy `qy iqAUVIaF ijhIaF AuBrdIaF hn pr Auh CupfAux dI
koisLsL krdf hY) afAu gurdIp isMG jI kI hfl ny?
gurdIp: bws! quhfzy huMidaF hflF dI kI pRvfh! vihgurU dI ikrpf sB! pr ieh
ikhVy “lutyiraF” dy mgr pey iPrdy E?
isMG: quhfnUM pqf hI af ikvyN sfD afpxI jnqf nUM luwtx `qy hoey iPrdy
af[[[mYN iehnF nUM kih ky hitaF peI bws vfihgurU qyy Brosf rwKo ijnHy sgly
kfrj rfs krny aF.
aOrq: nhIN Bfa jI, hux qusIN af mUlL mMqr dy `qf, hux hor ikDry Btkx dI
loV hI neIN.
gurdIp: mUl-mMqr? igafnI jI qusIN vI mMqr dyx lwg pey hux?
isMG: (QoVHf iKJ ijhI ivwc) mMqr nhIN gurdIp isMG jI, gur-sLbd. iehnUM
mUl-mMqr kihMdy af, shI ZMg nflL lgfqfr ies df jfp kIiqaF sB duwKF df nfs
ho jFdf.
gurdIp: igafnI jI, quhfnUM ievyN nhIN lgdf peI asIN gurUaF dy Bgq bxn dI
bjfey, AunHF dI soc dy vwzy dusLmx bx ky bih gey aF? ijvyN hrduafr dy
bfhmxF ny afpo-afpxI dukfndfrI leI dyvIaF-dyviqaF dIaF mUrqIaF nUM
afpo-afpxIaF dukfnF `qy sjLf ilaf, iblkul Ausy hI qrHF asIN vI QF QF `qy
afpo-afpxIaF dukfnF KolH ky, afpo-afpxI mrjLI nflL gurbfxI dy arQF df anrQ
ky afpxy mksd leI vrqI jf rhy aF?
isMG: qusIN gurbfxI dy pRcfr nUM dukfndfrI smJdy ho?
gurdIp: mYN gurbfxI dy pRcfr `qy ikMqU nhIN kr irhf igafnI jI, mYN pRcfr
dy qrIky qy mksd `qy svfl kr irhF ik gurbfxI df mMqv mfnisk duwKF df nfs
krnf hY, Auh vI mMqrF nflL nhIN, sgoN bfxI nUM pVH ky, ies dy arQF nUM smJ
ky qy sLbdF dy arQF dI gihrfeI qwk jf ky. jy gurUaF ny mMqr mfr ky hI
srIrk jF mfnisk duwK dUr krny huMdy qF guru hr rfie sfihb nUM kI loV peI
sI vYdgI krn dI?
mrd: qusIN ikDr dI bihs `c pY gey, Cwzo pry gwl bdlo.
isMG: clo qusIN kro gwlbfq mYN cldF, qusIN afpxI slfh krky mYnUM dws idAu.
(jFdf hY)
gurdIp: ieh kfhdIaF slfhvF krvf irhf sI?
mrd: Gr `c pfT krvfAux nUM kih irhf sI.
gurdIp: pfT iks leI peI vfihgurU lftrI kwZ dyvy qy sgly kfrj rfs af jfx?
mrd: (kuJ hwsdf hoieaf) ievyN hI smJ lAu.
gurdIp: vyK myry BfeI 6 arb qoN vwD abfdI af dunIaF dI. qy jy 6 arb df 6
arb eI lwg ipaf vfihgurU awgy lftrIaF dIaF ardfsF krn qF iPr vfihgurU nUM
qy lftrI dI dukfn hI pfAuxI pAU. kwtxI pAU bfby nfnk nUM afpxI hI ilKI
hoeI lfeIn ik “afpxy hwQIN afpxf, afpy hI kfj svfrIey”.
aOrq: lftrI dI gwl nhIN Bfa jI[[[asIN qy hor hI musIbq ivwc PLsy iPrn zhy
aF[[[
gurdIp: ikho ijhI musIbq ivwc PLs gey ho qusIN?
aOrq: sfrI rfq afpxI dIp dy kmry `c koeI EprI sLYa iPrdI rhI af, svyry
iehnF dI kfr ivwc vI musLkl afeI af.
gurdIp: (kuJ dyr socdf hoieaf) gurdIp ho ikMny icr dI geI af hux?
aOrq: suwK nflL aTfeIaF dI ho cwlI af.
gurdIp: qusIN Aus df ivafh ikAuN nhIN krdy hux?
mrd: ivafh df iPLkr qF sfnUM vI hY, pr kI krIey, cfr pYsy kolL hox qF hI
kusL krIey nf.
gurdIp: jdoN quhfzy purfxy guaFZI quhfQoN sfk mMgdy sI qy Krc vI sfrf afp
krdy sI, AudoN ikAuN nhIN mMny qusIN?
mrd: mYN afpxI DI qKfxF dy muMzy nUM ikvyN ivafh idMdf?
gurdIp: (roh nflL Aus vwl vyKdf hY pr afvfjL `qy kfbU rwKdf hY) jdoN qUM
jMimaf sI qF kI vfihgurU dI DOx `qy gozf rwK ky jwtF dy Gr jMimaf sI? jy
ikqy so-kflz “cUVHy-cmfr” dy Gr jMm pYNdf, iPr qyrI ies hYNkV dy kI arQ
huMdy?
aOrq: pr Bfa jI afpxI jfq-brfdrI vI qy koeI cIjL huMdI af nf[[[asIN qy
neIN bxfeIaF ieh jfqF pr jwg dy nflL qy cwlxf hI pYNdf af nf!
gurdIp: BYx myrIey kyho ijhIaF gwlF krdI ey? knyzf vrgy mulK ivwc af ky vI
iewkvIN sdI df bMdf mnU dy dOr ivwc hI jIa irhf, gwl smJ nhIN afAuNdI.
mrd: gurdIp ishF, hr bMdf kfmryt bx ky vI qy nhIN jIa skdf[[[iksy nUM jwg
dI sMg-sLrm vI huMdI af.
gurdIp: TIk aY! kro qusIN jwg dI sMg-sLrm, pr iewk gwl cyqy rwiKE awj nhIN
qy kwlH quhfzy hI bwcy quhfzI sMg-sLrm dI GsI hoeI cfdr dIaF lIrF quhfzy
mUMhF ivwc quMn ky gurbfxI dy lfey hoey nfary “mfns kI jfq sBY eyk hI
pihcfnbo” nUM Puwl cVHfAuxgy.
aOrq: hfey! vfihgurU bolo Bfa jI.
gurdIp: vfihgurU dy khy hoey bol hI qF bol irhF BYx myrIey, bs qusIN hI
nhIN suxny cfhuMdy.
mrd: Cwz Xfr! ieh roxy qy eydF hI rihxy aF, cwl pYWg lfAuNdy aF.
gurdIp: nhIN pYWg nhIN lfAuxf. (QoVHf mjLfk ijhy dy rONa ivwc glLf sfPL
krdf hoieaf) qUM ieh suxf peI BUq Bfa jI Gr `c dfKLl ikvyN hoey sI?
mrd: pqf nhIN svyry qVHky ijhy zrfAuxIaF ijhIaF afvfjLF afAuNdIaF sI, mYN
qy ikhf aYvyN qyjL hvf vgdI af. iPr dIp dy kmry `c KVfk hoieaf qy
BUq[[[BUq cIkdI sfzy vwl Bwj afeI.
gurdIp: qusIN iksy ny vyiKaf vI sI BUq nUM ik nhIN?
aOrq: `kwlI dIp ny hI vyiKaf sI, jdoN sfzf rOlLf suixaf `qy bfrI QfxIN Bwj
igaf. (gurdIp kuJ dyr socdf rihMdf hY iPr iekdm AuWT ky Klo jFdf hY).
mrd: kI gwl eydF AuWT KloqF?
gurdIp: dIp kMm qoN ikMny ku vjy af jFdI af?
mrd: pMj ku vjy af jFdI af.
gurdIp: qy qusIN?
mrd: iehnUM qy swq hI vwj jFdy af, pr mYN Cy ku vjy af jfnF.
gurdIp: mYN kwlH nUM dIp nUM iekwilaF imlUMgf.
mrd: kI gwl?
gurdIp: mYnUM ies BUq dI kuJ kuJ qMd pkV `c afAuNdI lwgdI af.
aOrq: (hYrfn huMdI hoeI) Bfa jI qusIN vI BUqF nUM mMndy E?
gurdIp: kuJ iewk BUq aijhy huMdy hn ik AunHF nUM mMnxf hI pYNdf hY. bfkI
kwlH nUM pqf lwgygf. (gurdIp ibnF iksy jvfb AuzIkaF hI cly jFdf hY. mrd
aqy hYrfn hoey vyKdy rih jFdy ny. rOsLnI mwDm huMdI hY.)
(dubfrf rOsLnI hox `qy Gr ivwc dIp iekwlI hY. drvfjLy dI GMtI vwjdI hY.
dIp drvfjLf KolHdI hY, gurdIp dfKLl huMdf hY).
dIp: hYlo aMkl jI.
gurdIp: hYlo bytf, qyry mMmI pfpf Gry hI af?
dIp: pfpf kMm qoN afAux hI vflLy af.
gurdIp: clo mYN vyt kr lYnF (dIp dy kuJ khy bgYr hI soPLy `qy bYT jFdf hY
qy pMjfbI dI aKLbfr cuwk ky vrky Prolx lwgdf hY. dIp Aus nUM ies qrHF krdf
vyK ky kuJ musLkl ijhI mihsUs krdI hY iPr hOslf krky kihMdI hY)
dIp: aMkl qusIN bYTo mYN cfh bxf ky ilafAuNdI hF.
gurdIp: (aKLbfr nUM pfsy krdf hoieaf) nhIN bytf, nhIN qUM bYT jfh, mYN
huxy cfh pI ky afieaF[[[[(kuJ ruk ky)[[[bytf mYN iewk idn afieaf sI, pqf
lwgf Gr `c koeI pRoblm af rhI af?
dIp: (rqf JkdI hoeI) nhIN aMkl[[[ iks qrHF dI pROblm?
gurdIp: (mfmUlI ijhf hsdf hoieaf) qyry mMmI zYzI kih rhy sI Gr `c BUq
afAuNdy af?
dIp: Eh[[[Eh[[[[
gurdIp: dws bytf dws[[[kI gwl af?
dIp: E[[[kusL nhIN aMkl[[[jdoN mYN suwqI huMnIN aF qF ievyN lgdf ijvyN
kmry `c koeI quiraf iPrdf[[[kdI kdI ikdy sLYa df JOlLf vI pYNdf[[[jdoN
mMmI zYzI vfjF mfrn lwgdy af qF Auh sLYa Bwj jFdI af[[[
gurdIp: kuVIey mYnUM iewk gwl swc swc dwsIN[[[
dIp: kI aMkl?
gurdIp: qUM swcIN mYnUM afpxf aMkl mMndI aF?
dIp: qusIN ieh ikAuN puwCdy E aMkl? kI quhfnUM koeI sLwk af?
gurdIp: qUM jfxdI aF ik qyrf zYz myrf BrfvF qoN vI vwD ipafrf dosq af?
dIp: hF aMkl[[[
gurdIp: iPr qUM ieh gwl sfPL smJ lf ik ijwdF dI mYnUM afpxI DI nvI af, EnI
ipafrI qUM aF[[[hux qUM mYnUM ieh dws peI ieh BUq afpy afAuNdf ik ies nUM
swidaf jFdf Gr `c?
dIp: (Gbrfht ivwc) mYN smJI nhIN aMkl[[[
gurdIp: ikqy ieh imsqrIaF df muMzf jwsI qF nhIN jo BUq bxky qyry kmry `c
afAuNdf?
dIp: (awKF Br ky) qusIN ieh soc vI ikvyN ilaf aMkl ik mYN ies qrHF dI kuVI
aF?
gurdIp: iks qrHF dI?
dIp: ik mYN iksy muMzy nUM afpxy kmry ivwc swdUMgI[[[
gurdIp: vyK dIp[[[mYN pihlF hI ikhf ik qUM myry leI myrI nvI hI eyN[[[mYN
jfxdF ik qUM Aus muMzy nUM ikMnf psMd krdI sYN[[[
dIp: pr Gr dy nf mMnx krky Auh gwl qF KLqm ho geI sI aMkl[[[
gurdIp: Gr idaF df nf mMnxf AunHF dy sMskfrF dI mjbUrI sI dIp! pr qyrf mn
qyry mfipaF dy sMskfrF df nhIN, qyrI muhwbq df gLulfm ey[[[AunHF qy afpxy
sMskfrF `qy pihrf dyx leI nFh kr idwqI, pr qyrf AunHF dy PYsly nUM eynI
sihjqf nflL svIkfr kr lYxf smJ nhIN afieaf?
dIp: iewk kuVI dI KvfihsL df mqlb hI ikMnf ku huMdf hY aMkl Blf afpxy smfj
ivwc? ijnHF nUM jMmx qoN pihlF hI isrP iesy krky mfr idwqf jFdf ik ikqy
vwzIaF ho ky Auh afpxI “KLvfihsL” hI jLfihr nf krn lwg pYx, Auh DI ikMnI
ku afpxI mrjLI pugf skdI hY Blf?
gurdIp: pr ies df mqlb ieh vI qy nhIN ik DIaF BUqF dy bhfny afpxy pRymIaF
nUM corIN afpxy hI GrF dy kmiraF `c bulfAux lwg pYx?
dIp: ieh qusIN kI kih rhy E aMkl? ieljLfm lf rhy E qusIN myry `qy[[[
gurdIp: kI qUM afpxy eImfn dI shuM Kf ky kih skdI eyN ik qUM Aus muMzy nUM
iblkul Bulf cuwkI eyN qy ieh AuhI muMzf nhIN jo BUq bxky qyry kmry `c
afAuNdf? (dIp jvfb nhIN idMdI pr rox lwg pYNdI hY)[[[ myrI gwl df jvfb dy
bytf[[[mYN qyry mUMhoN swc suxnf cfhuMdf hF.
dIp: ieh swc hY aMkl ik mYN jwsI nUM Bulf nhIN skI[[[pr ieh vI swc nhIN ik
Auh myry kmry ivwc afAuNdf hY.
gurdIp: iPr ieh sfrf kuJ ikvyN huMdf hY?
dIp: aMkl, mYN jwsI nUM qy jwsI ny mYnUM swcy idloN ipafr kIqf hY[[[asIN
ies qrHF afpxy mF-bfp nUM bdnfm krFgy, ieh asIN soc vI nhIN skdy[[[aMkl[[[
kI qusIN afpxI ijLMdgI ivwc iksy nUM ipafr kIqf sI? (gurdIp gMBIr ho ky
nIvIN pf lYNdf hY) mYN kuJ puwiCaf hY aMkl[[[
gurdIp: kuVIey eys vylLy mslf myrI ijLMdgI df nhIN, qyrI ijLMdgI df
hY[[[vYsy vI[[[ieh jLrUrI nhIN huMdf ik quhfzIaF KLvfihsLF hmysLF hI
pUrIaF hox, iksy dI mjbUrI vI qF ho skdI hY?
dIp: aMkl qusIN afp hI qy ikhf sI ik mjbUrIaF awgy Juikaf qF jf skdf hY pr
mjbUrIaF kfrn mn nUM mfiraf nhIN jf skdf[[[mYN vI smJOqf kr ilaf hY, pr mn
nhIN mfr skI aMkl[[[mYN afpxf mn nhIN mfr skI[[[(roNdI hY)[[[mYN afpxy afp
nUM kMm ivwc vI ibwjLI rwKx dI koisLsL krdI hF[[[socdI hF ik jy iDafn hor
pfsy lfvFgI qF afpy sB Buwl jfvygf[[[pr jdoN rfqF nUM Qwk tuwt ky sONdI hF
qF afpxy supinaF dy sMsfr ivwc phuMc jFdI hF[[[ievyN lwgdf hY ijvyN myrf
jwsI dUr KVHf mYnUM bulf irhf hY[[[mYN kolL jFdI hF qF kuJ sfey ijhy Aus
nUM mYQoN pry lY jFdy hn[[[mYN roNdI hF[[[kurlfAuNdI hF[[[Aus dy mgr Bwjx
dI koisLsL krdI hF[[[pr Auh[[[Auh qy myry jwsI nUM iKwc ky mYQoN dUr hI
dUr leI jFdy hn[[[myrI cIk inkl jFdI hY[[[suwqI peI nUM pqf hI nhIN lwgdf
kdoN AuWT ky qur pYNdI hF qy aksr hI bYWz jF kMD ivwc jf vwjdI hF[[[Gr dy
smJdy hn ik myry kmry ivwc BUq afAuNdy af, mYN AunHF nUM ikvyN dwsF ik ieh
BUq koeI hor nhIN AunHF dy glLy-sVy sMskfrF df BUq hY jo myrI ijLMdgI qbfh
krI jf irhf hY[[[pr aMkl mYnUM ieh afs iblkul nhIN sI ik qusIN vI myry
krYktr `qy ievyN sLwk krky ieh soc lvogy ik mYN jwsIN nUM afpxy kmry ivwc
bulfAuNdI hF[[[(glLf Br lYNdI hY)
gurdIp: (dIp nUM klfvy ivwc lYNdf hoieaf) myrI kMvlLIey DIey, qUM vI mYnUM
nhIN smJ skI[[[ jy mYN qyry `qy sLwk hI krnf huMdf qF qyry mMmI zYzI dy
sfhmxy hI qyry nflL gwl krdf[[[pr mYnUM pqf sI ik AunHF sfhmxy qUM mYnUM
swcI gwl nhIN dwsyNgI[[[mYN qyry jjLibaF dI kdr krdF bytf[[[mYN qyry zYz
nflL gwl krFgf[[[qy jy Auh nf mMinaF qF qUM iPr myrI DI bxyNgI qy mYN qyrf
bfp bxky qyrf ivafh EQy hI krFgf ijwQy qUM cfhuMdI eyN (dIp df zYzI dfKLl
huMdf hY, Aus df ichrf Audfs hY aqy ichry qoN awQrUaF df BulyKf vI pYNdf
hY)
mrd: ies gwl dI loV nhIN pvygI gurdIp[[[dIp qyrI DI bx ky jfvy jF myrI, kI
PLrk pYNdf hY? jy myrI DI qyrI DI hY qF qyrI DI myrI kI lwgI?
gurdIp: iPr dosq![[[DI dy drd nUM smJ ikAuN nhIN lYNdf?
mrd: ikhVf bfp hY jo afpxI aOlLfd dy drd nUM nhIN smJdf? pr ienHF PYsilaF
ipwCy iewk bfp hI nhIN, smuwcf smfj DIaF dy rfhF df aiVwkf bx ky KVf huMdf
af gurdIp! jy iewk bfp afpxy idl `qy pwQr Dr ky smfj dI pRvfh kIqy bgYr DI
dIaF sDrF pUrIaF kr vI dyvy qF ies smfj dy mUMhF aMdr swpF dIaF jIBF AuWg
afAuNdIaF[[[ dIp ieh gwl nhIN smJ skdI ik ies nUM irsLqydfrIaF `c ikvyN
pYr pYr `qy jLfq-pfq dy zMg jrny pihxgy[[[jdoN vI koeI idn-ivhfr hoieaf
krU, koeI nf koeI tuwtf ijhf bMdf aYsf qfanf mfiraf krU ik sfzf sfiraF df
jIxf hrfm ho jfieaf krU[[[
gurdIp: (ivwcoN hI kwt ky) qy hux kI dIp df jIxf hrfm nhIN ho irhf? mYN
mMndF dosq ik iewk bfp hox dy nfqy qYnUM afpxI DI dy BivwK df iPLkr hY pr
qYnUM ievyN nhIN lwgdf ik ijs qsLwdd qoN qUM dIp nUM bcfAux dI koisLsL kr
irhYN, Aus qoN ikqy vwD qUM afp hI krI jf irhYN? qUM Ausy hI smfj dI pRvfh
krdf krdf afpxI aOlLfd dI ijLMdgI nrk bxfeI jf irhF ijhVf qYnUM hr pYr `qy
luwtx leI hI iqafr KVHf? koeI qYnUM Dfgy-qvIq vyc irhf, koeI qYnUM rwb vyc
irhf, qy koeI qYnUM KoKly swiBafcfr df burkf vyc irhf, pr kI qYnUM kdI
iksy ny KuwlHy asmfn `c iklkfrIaF Brdy pl vycy af? iksy ny qyrIaF nINdF
curfAuNdIaF rfqF nUM llkfrn leI kdI qYnUM hlfsLyrI idwqI af? ikhVy smfj dI
gwl krdf eyN qUM ijhVf Kud bImfr ey? ijs nUM Kud bdlx dI loV ey? ies smfj
dIaF lIhF `qy cwl ky afpxI Kwl bcfAux dI Kfiqr afpxIaF aFdrF dIaF sDrF dI
blI dyx dI koisLsL nf kr dosq! jy ihMmq hY qF ies smfj nUM bdlx dI koisLsL
kr, ies dy kohV nUM Dox dI koisLsL kr[[[[qy kuVIey qUM[[[qyry `c hY ihMmq
ik ies smfj dI ihwk `qy pYr Dr ky qur skyN? afpxy swcy ipafr dy mfx `c isr
AuWcf cuwk ky jIa skyN?[[[jy hY qF mfr ies smfj dy icwqVF `qy lwq[[[bx
myrI DI[[[qy lfh ienHF BUqF dy ichry qoN mKOtf. (dIp Bwj ky gurdIp dy glL
nUM icMbV jFdI hY) swc dy afsry jIx dI iswK DIey swc dy!
smfpq!
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